Friday, March 28, 2008

Refuting Fitna. Rebutting the Dutch. Responding to Wilders

“Fitna” & Rebuttal to Wilders. Refuting Dutch Nazis
Posted on March 28, 2008 by moinansari | Edit

We have tried to respond to Fitna as a first pass.
As we research the material we will update this site with appropriate cross references to the Bible and the Torah

Dutch Nasism is being re-constructed on the backs of anti-Muslim fervor.

Banning the Swastika and making “Holocaust denials” a criminal activity doesn’t eliminate the racism and bigotry that is now manifesting itself in the new anti-semetism of Mr. Geert Wilders.

The Dutch Nazis are at it again. This new Anti-Semitism is against the Muslims

Geert Wilders presents old, archaic, discarded, refuted and repudiated notions about Muslims and the Holy Book. All of these allegations have these have been answered. We present the ref. to context and the complete verses here. Is this the best that Geert could do?

Wilder’s credibility will be affected as the non-bigots (outside the Netherlands) read the Quran. The rate of conversion will go up.

The Dutch people were unable to stop Mr. Geert Wilders from making the movie, because of “Freedom of Speech”. However all our articles posted on Dutch boards were banned and removed. Does it show a culture of “double standards”. Sure!

”Fitna” is a stale Islamphobic rhetoric that presents edited excerpts of Quranic verses to change the meaning of the original Quranic verses. The video regurgitates old discarded Neocon balderdash that has been rejected by America and the world. It would have shocked the world a few years ago. Today you can catch more Islamphobia on Fox!

What can be said about the movie? Muslims of Muslims memorize the Quran before the age of 14. It lives in the hearts and minds of 1.5 Billion Muslims. No one can disparage the Quran. Many have tried. May God Bless their souls.

The criticisms presented in Fitna are nothing new. The Crusaders, Popes, Torquemada, John Damascus and Martin Luther said worse things centuries ago. “They” (Islampbobes) have been saying this sort of thing for 1400 years. This type of nonsensical criticism has been repudiated multiple times and on this site and by historians and religious leaders.

Tulips will remind Mr. Geert and other Dutch bigots about the fact that Tulips came from Muslim Turkey and that they spell “Allah” in Arabic.

We will be publishing a detailed point by point rebuttal of the movie. Some salient points.

1) No information is given on the source or the translation. The text of the Quran have bee taken out of text. Allegorical stories or a particular incident are presented as “commands” for all time. We will refute with actual quotes and credible translations.

2) Most of the incidents shown are Arabs and Iran which make up a small portion of the Muslim world. The largest Muslim states, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Indian Muslims and Pakistan are not shown.

3) Insignificant unidentified people are shown blathering away. Neither the audience nor the exposure is significant and is not shown.

4) We will investigate the Quran and find the truth and repudiate the criticism. The Torah, the Bible, the Gita and all scriptures have texts that have to be explained.

5) Fear mongering is the name of the game. According to Mr. Wilders, Europe is being overwhelmed by Muslims.

6) The world will hear the Quran, then they will investigate and find the truth. The rate of conversion will increase. Islam is already the fastest growing religion by birth and by conversion. Four out of five converts are women. In that sense we thank Mr. Geert Wilders for exposing the world to the Quran.

7) Mr. Geert Wilders May God Bless you. Duth and Geert Wilders should ban these holy books too

The noise surrounding this movie’s launch and the public statements of Mr Geert Wilders are always so extreme that anyone can understand his objective is to provoke a reaction and to get media coverage and attention. For the time being he seems to succeed beyond hope: everybody speaks about a movie nobody has watched being afraid (or hoping) the scandal. M. Geert Wilders is a populist: having no serious real social policy, he is trying to get voters by feeding and using their fears! This is so clear that the Muslims must pass over : Mr Geert Wilders is now revealing his true nature and the best response is to ignore him. The worst case scenario he can expect is indeed not reaction… silence! Tariq Ramadan

9) Muslims should send him Tulips and Roses. Tulips spell “Allah” and roses are Gul e Mohammadi (the flower of the prophet Muhmmad).

10) We feel sorry for Mr. Wilders and the Dutch, totally surrounded by Tulips during Spring. If enough Muslims send him Tulips Tulipomania will be a living hell for him. May God Bless him, and may be find the right path.


Aliph) The first verse that Mr. Wilders showed as evidence for banning the Quran was

You Shall Be Prepared: A Divine Commandment

8:60:You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster

It is amazing that a fragment has been taken from 8:60. The verse after 8:60 which is 8:61 is not listed. Obviously Mr. Wilder did this for effect. However he loses credibility when some may try to read the next sentence also which negates his original assertion.

[8:61] If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.

Also the ref to context in 8:60 is the story of Moses from the Bible and the Torah. The story is simply repeated in the Quran. The

[8:53] GOD does not change a blessing He has bestowed upon any people unless they themselves decide to change. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.

[8:54] Such was the case with the people of Pharaoh and others before them. They first rejected the signs of their Lord. Consequently, we annihilated them for their sins. We drowned Pharaoh’s people; the wicked were consistently punished.

[8:55] The worst creatures in the sight of GOD are those who disbelieved; they cannot believe.

[8:56] You reach agreements with them, but they violate their agreements every time; they are not righteous.

[8:57] Therefore, if you encounter them in war, you shall set them up as a deterrent example for those who come after them, that they may take heed.

[8:58] When you are betrayed by a group of people, you shall mobilize against them in the same manner. GOD does not love the betrayers.

[8:59] Let not those who disbelieve think that they can get away with it; they can never escape.

[8:60] You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster, and all the equipment you can mobilize, that you may frighten the enemies of GOD, your enemies, as well as others who are not known to you; GOD knows them. Whatever you spend in the cause of GOD will be repaid to you generously, without the least injustice.

[8:61] If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.

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God Suffices the Believers

[8:62] If they want to deceive you, then GOD will suffice you. He will help you with His support, and with the believers.

[8:63] He has reconciled the hearts (of the believers). Had you spent all the money on earth, you could not reconcile their hearts. But GOD did reconcile them. He is Almighty, Most Wise.

[8:64] O you prophet, sufficient for you is GOD and the believers who have followed you.

Bay) The 2nd quote used by Mr. Wilders is a simple allegorical description of “hell” for sinners. Similar descriptions can be found in the Bible also. Quran refers to all “Believers” as having the option of a blissful shades.

Allegorical Description of Hell

[4:56] Surely, those who disbelieve in our revelations, we will condemn them to the hellfire. Whenever their skins are burnt, we will give them new skins. Thus, they will suffer continuously. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

[4:57] As for those who believe and lead a righteous life, we will admit them into gardens with flowing streams; they abide therein forever. They will have pure spouses therein. We will admit them into a blissful shade.

Jeem) The next quote used by Mr. Wilders is about God who created the heaven and earth. Not sure why he brings this up. If he had read the Bible, he would have found a very similar verse there too.

[57:4] He is the One who created the heavens and the earth in six days, then assumed all authority. He knows everything that enters into the earth, and everything that comes out of it, and everything that comes down from the sky, and everything that climbs into it. He is with you wherever you may be. GOD is Seer of everything you do.

Daal) This verse is about dealing with Hypocrypts. Pretty self expanatory. All religions ask their followers not to be hypocritical. It simply says “choose your friends wisely”.

[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies.

How to Deal With the Hypocrites

[4:88] Why should you divide yourselves into two groups regarding hypocrites (among you)? GOD is the one who condemned them because of their own behavior. Do you want to guide those who are sent astray by GOD? Whomever GOD sends astray, you can never find a way to guide them.

[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies.

[4:90] Exempted are those who join people with whom you have signed a peace treaty, and those who come to you wishing not to fight you, nor fight their relatives. Had GOD willed, He could have permitted them to fight against you. Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them.

[4:91] You will find others who wish to make peace with you, and also with their people. However, as soon as war erupts, they fight against you. Unless these people leave you alone, offer you peace, and stop fighting you, you may fight them when you encounter them. Against these, we give you a clear authorization.

*4:89 The basic rule controlling all fighting is stated in 60:8-9.

Ray) This one deals with those who spend money in fighting God. This one says that all should defend themselves. Similar verses are found in the Bible and the Torah.

Spending Their Money to Fight God*

[8:36] Those who disbelieve spend their money to repel others from the way of GOD. They will spend it, then it will turn into sorrow and remorse for them. Ultimately, they will be defeated, and all disbelievers will be summoned to Hell.

[8:37] GOD will sift away the bad from the good, then pile the bad on top of each other, all in one pile, then throw it in Hell. Such are the losers.

[8:38] Tell those who disbelieved: if they stop, all their past will be forgiven. But if they return, they will incur the same fate as their previous counterparts.

[8:39] You shall fight them to ward off oppression, and to practice your religion devoted to GOD alone. If they refrain from aggression, then GOD is fully Seer of everything they do.

[8:40] If they turn away, then you should know that GOD is your Lord and Master; the best Lord and Master, the best supporter.

*8:35 All religious practices in Islam came to us through Abraham; when the Quran was revealed, all rites in “Submission” were already in existence (21:73, 22:78).
*8:36 The idol worshiping leaders of corrupted Islam, Saudi Arabia, have allocated huge sums of money annually to fight God and His miracle. For example, the famous Lebanese publisher Daar Al-`Ilm Lil-Malaayeen (Knowledge for the Millions) published the Arabic version of “The Miracle of the Quran” in March 1983. The Saudis bought all the copies and destroyed them. 1055 71206

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USpace said...

Geert Wilders isn't advocating killing Muslims like the Nazis did the Jews. He doesn't advocate destroying Muslim countries like some of them advocate doing to Israel.

Youtube & Google Video have put it up. See the link at the bottom.

GO Mr. Wilders! Great job! Short and to the point, very powerful!
It will be interesting to see how many Dhimmi politicians will watch this. Eventually, most probably will.

SPREAD THE WORD to the world everyone!

All freedom starts with freedom of speech. If there is no freedom of speech, there will be no freedom. The Christians and Jews don’t riot when somebody makes fun of Christ or Jews. People must learn to be civilized. Rioting MUST not be tolerated.

That’ll be great if there’s not much rioting, how very mature that would be. Geert Wilders is a hero spreading the painful truth. He MUST be protected!
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
weak and insecure is BEST

the best way for religion
KILL those who question it

absurd thought -
God of the Universe wants
Islam for everyone

submit to glorious life
slavery and servitude

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
outlaw self-defense

exposing violent crimes
shall be deemed hate speech



Da Oud said...

I find this a reasonable blog. I hope I am not disappointed. I just found your blog 2 days ago.

As for the tulips. You mentioned that it came to Euro from "Muslim" Turkey. Well, would it be reasonable to say that since the "Muslim" Turks took over the region which was 'Christian' can we than argue that the tulip in it purity came from the 'Christian' Turkey (before it feel to 'Muslim' Turks. Before Muslims were in Turkey it was a Christian Turkey.

Your thoughts on this.


M.Usman ghani said...

"You are the best of the nations raised up for
(the benefit of)men: you enjoin what is right and
forbid the wrong and believe in Allah." (3:llO)